nature -- the question of fact blic interest -- the that president obama effectively country ncede that his merkel, no gging mr. denial from australia they were intercepting the phone calls of -- indonesia and his wife. and that led senator feinstein to say she had to review all of of the intelligence committee. because, again, this was going on without knowledge. you'll remember, either the united states came out and will stop bugging these gatherings of the imf or of the d bank, all things that had been bugging the european parliament, we don't know. was some specific organization rganizations all of that devoted not to espionage, but to peacemaking.ing and set up after the second world war, the united states has come won't be id, we bugging them anymore, which, to me, is an implicit to the were. n that they >> do you think the reaction got them into the list to do with security and more to do with the fact that we would traditionally secretive? been committee we had talking about earlier had just published the minutes of the meeting in november. press a meeting of the side and the of